I swear it is just sick sometimes, I know to fold yet I decide to shove or call a shove. I love it when it goes the other way though. Plyed a long session last night with not such wonderful results due to two major malfunctions. How can I plug these leaks?
Hand 1:http://www.pokerhand.org/?1231371 villian is 47/11/0.44 T obe quiet honest I dont know how reliable the aggression factor number really is. There is a great thread on the CR forum about it under theory and there is a link to a great 2p2 thread as well. Anyways I dont know that I like my check raise here. I feel I eithetr should check call or lead the flop and play from there. In any case can I get away from his 3 bet shove? He insta called on the flop which told me he was weak in which case I think my check was poor as if he is drawing I have given him a free card and by betting it I think I have to believe he is made.
Hand 2: http://www.pokerhand.org/?1231387 villian is 61/19/0.72 I chose and unusual line then normal but feel it was actually well played up to my decision based on his reraise. I felt I held the best hand but sometimes and I thought he might hold a weak ace therefore if we both connect I might be able to stack him. Great flop for my hand and I decide to continue playing opossum. Check calling was my 1st mistake I think but not a major one. I like the play actually because I led the turn. The tough thing is I am OOP and I cant be 100% confident that his raise on the turn is with a better hand then mine. I lead the turn actually without seeing how much of a scare card this was. In this case I think the only way he raises my bet is with a hand better then AQ. Is this a clear fold?
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Hand 1: I would lead out turn rather than c/r. I'd rather lead the turn for about $17 than c/r for $32. If he's ahead of you, he's coming over the top either way, but one way commits less chips.
Now about that all in. I hate to use this answer because I have so much in the last few days, but......player dependant. A guy that is 44/11 in my mind is just someone waiting to give their money away. You really have to watch these guys to see what they will get it all in with. Some players like that will only bet monsters, but they will call anything.....fold to that guy. Some players with those stats will push with anything once they've been rr against a semi-bluff or even a stonecold bluff........call that guy. I think watching these guys habits are more important than those of players with stats closer to your own, (you already know how they play).
I fold there without more info though.
Hand 2: I c/r the flop and go from there. I really like to see where I'm at on this flop, and take it from there.
With the small flop bet, he doesn't seem to want to go away combind that with his turn raise, I fold here when he still had about $50 to push in with on the river.
Hand 1: Ugh. Is he the type to overvalue a K? If so, he may well have KQ or KJ here. He also could well have something like A6, 76 or 33. It's a pretty strong line from him because he bets weakish when you check and then 3-bets you. This is really tough and dependent on the opponent. I guess against a low aggression factor maybe lean towards a fold. You need to call $46 into a $147 pot so you only need to be right around 1/4 of the time. Ugh. Flip a coin?
Hand 2: I don't really like the way you played this. I would normally 3-bet this pre-flop against a guy like this. I think calling sometimes is OK too, but usually 3-bet it. On the flop I think you should check-raise or you'll leave yourself guessing for the rest of the hand. If he shoves I think you can fold. I never really take the line of check-calling the flop and betting out on the turn so I don't know how effective it is and what it can achieve. I guess you're beaten here once he raises this. Muck it I say. He could have a huge range of hands here and a lot connects with that board.
Hand 1: I think you may have misunderstood the thread (and if you're referring to http://tinyurl.com/2kv3c6 , I think that thread just shows how many CR members are clueless as to what AF means).
Anyway, his stats basically mean he's passive post-flop. I would definitely bet the turn expecting to get called by worse K. If you go for a c/r, then you're left guessing whether he considers KQ or KJ to be the nuts here to be worthy of betting given his low AF. If you bet, he'll call you with a lot of worse hands. I think you lost value vs his range by trying for a c/r.
The c/r basically defends against floaters, but here he's less likely to be a floater and will most likely just check his fd. Whatever value you may gain from the c/r probably does not compensate by the value you lose from value betting.
Hand 2: I think I agree with the c/r line, then b/f if he calls. The problem is there are a lot of scare cards that can come, basically anything but offsuit low cards, and taking your line will, in the best case, extract more from A9, A6, or KQ, which I don't think offsets the disadvantage of having no info.
Ddidn't read other comments so these are fresh and not influenced. :)
Hand 1: If you check the turn there it either has to be to slow down and pot control or to c/r with the intention of calling a shove. You can't c/r there and then fold, as I see it. As played, definitely call the shove, though he probably has A6 or something stupid. But you'll see KQ enough to make it okay I think.
Hand 2: Yeah, you put yourself in a tough spot there. I've noticed the check/call flop and lead strong on turn is often a bluff, maybe he's thinking the same thing, don't know what level of thinker he is though. I think check/raising the flop will make life easier for you. I think a smooth call from the blinds is okay but against this villain it seems that a 3bet preflop might be more profitable. Tough hand.
"There's an important subtlelty to understand regarding AF vis-a-vis someone's looseness. A rock who only sees the flop 15% of the time and folds the flop 50% of the time may produce an AF of 3.0 by merely betting legitimate hands. Because they are so tight, they nearly always have a pair or high cards when they come in. Consequently, the 3.0 AF doesn't actually suggest excessive agression. The mere fact that they're on one of the few hands they didn't fold tells you they are holding strong cards; StraighforwardPlay will lead to a lot of bets and raises.
On the other hand, someone who sees the flop 75% of the time who has a 1.5 AF is ridiculously aggressive. Someone seeing almost every flop can't possibly be catching their cards that often, so a high AF tells you they must be bluffing and semi-bluffing, probably too often."
From a thread linked in the CR AF thread.
Hand 1: Just keep value betting until he tells you TPTK no good. I think he told you that in the hand by coming over your c/r, but by then you'd committed a lot of chips and it's probably real close between call and fold.
Hand 2: As long as you don't make a habit of cool calling this preflop, I think it's fine to do once in a while, and I think you can continue to play possum if you hit your ace, not your queen. Hitting the queen, I would just c/r the flop and lead the turn. If he raises you on the turn, you can get away from it. As played, I don't think it's a clear fold, but I do think it's a fold. While there's a good chance you're currently ahead, I also think against this guy you're likely to have better spots in the future, so I would pitch this one.
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