Sunday, July 29, 2007

Playing passive...

I dont know why. But it definately sucks.

Hand 1: http://www.pokerhand.org/?1312465 This villian was frustrating me a little and I was waiting to trap him with a big hand as he was floating all my cbets and then leading on the river when I had nothing, it was sick. Ok his numbers are 50/12/1. Two questions with this hand. !st I felt he didnt make the flush but rather hit and Ace on the turn, should I shove here? 2nd can I call this sick river?

Hand 2: http://www.pokerhand.org/?1312471 I really donked this hand, villian is 43/2/.65 over 80 hands at the time of this hand I had no hud numbers on her. I decided to just call with the Tens as I do this maybe 5% of the time but probably should just always raise. Then she leads for pot? I figured I was best and this is probably where I should put in a raise and find out. Then the same bet on the turn and then the river shove? What to do?

4 comments:

Gregory Lynn said...

I've found that passive play is the first indication that I'm losing confidence in my play because the results aren't there. After the fifteenth consecutive AK or or AQ that misses and gets your c-bet raised, I think there's a natural tendency to forgo the c-bet. This leads to more turns and rivers where you don't know where you are and it's a big mess and it's how you lose half your bankroll in two weeks.

1) I don't think you can call the river. I do think pushing the turn is a good idea. That, and raising preflop.

2) You just gotta rise somewhere.

DODGYKEN said...

I agree with Rasputin that passive play indicates a loss of confidence normally. Either way, it usually leads to worse results.

Hand 1: Definitely re-raise pre-flop. I think calling with AA or KK is more reasonable, but AK I want to put in that 3-bet 100% of the time. I'm not sure if I like raising the turn or not. If he was full stacked ($200) I think I like the call more as you don't want to be shoved on. Here I think I'd probably stick it in and hope he didn't hit a flush. I think calling and letting him bet a non-club river is OK too though. This river is a fold.

Hand 2: I don't mind cold-calling this villian when he raises UTG here. I like calling the flop and then folding if he bets again. But then he makes such a small turn bet that you kind of have to call the turn. I'd probably play this the same way to be honest.

robracing said...

Hand 1 :

Clear reraise on the button. (The beauty of this play is that the strength of your hand would be somewhat disguised by your position. Many players would reraise a lot lighter than AK in this spot against a maniac).

After that, the way that the hand played out, I think the villain knows that you like your hand, but he still pushes on the end. I don't see how you can call on the end, when you are beaten by the bare deuce of clubs! There isn't even any certainty that your two-pair is good, if the villain dsoesn't have the flush. I think that he could play a set the same way.

Hand 2 :

Villain playing 43/2/0.65 is a super-passive fish. For my money, villain has a hand that beats yours for sure!

Reraise preflop is a standard play here, but be thankful that you didn't as it would have cost you more money! Fold on the end.

Dice said...

1) Prefer a 3bet preflop, unless you were just mixing it up. You cannot CC with AK here on a consistent basis and then proceed to 3bet with 98s the next orbit. Flop is standard. At this point in the hand his range is AK, KQ, KJ, KK, 99, 55, AA, or maybe a SC with a good draw. The A of clubs hits on the turn, and for the villain this is a perfect card to semibluff. Here he could have improved to a pair + flush draw and is leading into the A because of your passive preflop play- he does have AK in your range after your CC pre and flop raise. He proably has you on a KQ/KJ type of hand. A call is reasonable on this turn if there was not a flush draw. Very difficult spot but I would probably ship it in here to avoid a disastrous river/ protect my hand. Cannot call this river because I feel that his bluffing range is not very wide here.

2) At one point in this hand, whether it may be preflop or on the flop, you must define your hand. Taking a passive route will give you a difficult time to deduct his possible holdings. His preflop range is probably AA-JJ, AQ+. In conjunction with this board and his preflop range, the only hand you are ahead of here is AK.