Wednesday, July 25, 2007

I have been donking it up.

Been a rough week in more then just my poker world. Have been taking aggression to far and not heeding my own advice. I like most my plays preflop and on the flop but then I get this I have to win this pot mentallity and it backfires. I bluffed 100BB stack with AQ high into quads, pretty sweet. Anyways here are some of my tougher hands from the past two days.

http://www.pokerhand.org/?1300381 This is the whole history and a fine example actually of how well 3betting light can work. In all honesty if he misses this flop and I cbet I take it down. I am pissed about my river call and am curious how bad my turn play is? Villian is 26/15/2.5 over 1k+ hands. Honestly I feel after I check behind on flop I should be done with this hand. When he bet turn I didnt have him on K and thought he might be bluffing a draw, I think I just was shooting for this guy though and that is always bad.

http://www.pokerhand.org/?1300411 Villian is 49/11/.89 can I call this ridiculous river shove? I flopped the nuts and then shit just went haywire. Counterfitted and then a backdoor flush gets there. I dont know if he makes this play with a 7 or a busted flush draw. What to do?

Villian is a total donk who runs at 62/19/.78 I had a note saying he limped big hands UTG and had caught him limping earlier with QQ when my BB 65 flopped trips and he payed me off the whole way. Here I flop bottom two and think I have him trapped again but I dont know maybe he limped AA or TT here or is he just overplaying the fuck out of AK? He seems way to passive to be min raising with just one pair I mean he didnt but one raise in with QQ. http://www.pokerhand.org/?1300436 are you calling, shoving or folding?

7 comments:

chris said...

Hand 1: That is a bad flop for your hand, and i would check behind on the flop. Be done with the hand right there.
Hand 2: That is a tough spot. I am honestly not sure what is the right play here. I think i might just prefer to bet out to prevent this from happening. On calling the shove here i am not sure and might end up calling just cause i would be so confused.
Hand 3: I think that flop minraise could be a variety of things. I think i would rather just get it in because there are so many cards that could come off on the turn that would hurt your hand. I think i am just shoving and making him so me a better hand. If he has me beat good for him. I could see you being ahead here enough of the time for it to be fine.

Gregory Lynn said...

1) If you're willing to call a turn bet unimproved, why not bet the flop? If you're not willing to bet the flop, why call the turn bet? I think this is one you can toss a c-bet at then ditch...or better, just ditch.

2) I'm pretty much evenly divided between thinking he's got something like As8s and thinking he's got a .89 aggro. But, a wicked low aggro just means he calls a hell of a lot more than he raises, it doesn't mean he's a nitbag. Yeah, I think I'm leaning call on this one.

3) I think I'm with Chris, shove.

DODGYKEN said...

Hand 1: I pretty much always C-bet if I've 3-bet someone pre-flop. If you think you're ahead on the turn then you're ahead on the river too so I don't mind that call. Like you say though, your judgement might be skewed because it's against an opponent you're gunning for.

Hand 2: Nasty. These are so hard to judge because some opponents do this with a missed spade draw, some do it with a rivered A or two pair, and some only do it with a monster. I don't think you need to worry about the better straight so it's just the runner-runner flush that beats you. I think I call here because you beat a missed draw, a set, 2 pair.

Hand 3: With bottom two pair I like to try and get my money in on the flop as the board won't get much better for your hand. He could definitely be over-playing AK or AQ here. It's probably more high variance than you'd like because he may have you beat fairly often here with his low aggression but I shove here.

DeRustZelve said...

As for the last hand, given his stats I'm putting him on AK or even AQ. Or even A10...

Nevertheless AK is most likely in my opinion.

Calling isn't going to do you any good as the money will go in after this.

Push or fold, given his stats I like a shove here but it isn't clearcut.

DWarrior said...

Hand 1: I think I prefer a c-bet. The board is 3-flushed and there's only one high card, I don't see how it's a horrible flop. I guess you'll only fold out worse hands and get better hands to call, but I don't really see much value in playing mid pair in this spot.

Hand 2: I like blocking the river, though if he shoves it'll be tough to fold. I guess the way to look at this is if you're calling his river shove, then it's better to value bet and extract from the hands he'd check behind that you beat.

Hand 3: I agree that if you call you'll get all the money in when behind anyway. But conversely, if you shove AQ and even AK can fold. I think calling and shoving non A and non club turn could be an option, but it'll really suck if a club turns.

I guess shove?

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Dice said...

1) You must bet this flop. If he does not a diamond it will be tough for him to continue. He knows that if you have any big diamond you're betting here. This flop must be cbet 100% of the time, IMHO. You 3 bet preflop, showing strength, and do not bet a KT4ddd flop. Do you bet this flop with AdKx? Yes, I'm sure you do. Even with mid pair and no redraw, you cannot afford to give free cards. Unless you flopped the nut flush, what hands do not justify a cbet here? Cbet this flop, if called then slow down for pot control. Do not try to attempt to control the pot size with mid pair and no redraw on a draw heavy flop. Define your marginal hands early to avoid difficult decisions on future streets. Turn call is fine b/c he could be semi-bluffing with a FD or he could be leading after interpretting your flop check as weakness (which is correct). River: you know what you did wrong. His river lead screams value bet. You could justify a river call in the case that you were OOP and checked to him to induce a bluff from a missed draw. I just dont see too many people leading the river with T7 or less enough times to make a call here profitable.

2)Easy river call. Villain is playing 40% of his hands. You're behind T7 or a BD flush. Seems like he's slowplaying a hand from the flop. Two pair, set, or missed FD. Check/ call the river here bc your check will induce more worst hands will bet this river than call your value bet if you lead.

3) AT, A2, AA, TT, 22. There are five hands that are ahead of you on that flop. Villain is limping +60% of his hands. I dont like to give donkeys too much credit bc TPMK is the nuts to them. Push the flop (do not like to slowplay bottom 2) and watch him call with a medium to high ace.